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Ayn Rand
AMICRON
Forum o spisovatele Ayn Rand a jeji filozofie Objectivismus. Hodne dulezita a zajimava tema, bohuzel skoro vubec neznami v Cechach. Knihy the Fountainhead (Zdroj), Atlas Shrugged, Anthem, We the Living, The Virtue of Selfishness atd. http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objektivismus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand (neni clanek v cestine...tsk tsk)
Máte k tomu co říct? Vložte se do diskuze.
VANEK --- 19:36:51 22.12.2011
FRONEMA: Gifts are anti-value! ;-)
Co je to s tím Kochem? Toho si nevybavuju...
FRONEMA --- 13:34:26 22.12.2011
narazila jsem na obchod kde maji spoustu ayn randich tricek a dalsich veci. kdyby nekoho zajimalo http://www.zazzle.com/atlas+shrugged+gifts
_BENNY --- 22:11:44 21.12.2011
_BENNY: puvodne jsem chtel neco napsat sam za sebe, pak jsem si rekl, ze by bylo mozna ukvapene psat dojmy kdyz jsem se dostal teprve k treti tretine, ale uz to asi nemuzu vydrzet :)

ten comment ohledne Atlas Shrugged mi naprosto mluvi z duse. zacina to byt absurdnejsi a absurdnejsi. zatimco prvni tretina byla zajimava a legracni, postupne to ale prestava byt zabavne a zacina byt naivni az psychopatologicke. vsichni jsou bud supermani nebo nuly, jedinou vyjimku tam tvori kamarad hlavni hrdinky z detstvi, ktery neni tolik intelektualne nadan, o to vic je ideologicky verny. hlavni hrdina John Galt je fyzik a filosof, ktery ve 12ti letech utekl od rodiny, aby v 16ti pracoval ve fabrice, v mezicase si udelal postgradual a nakonec kdesi v horach postavil vlastnima rukama s pomoci par pratel cele mesto. kam se hrabe Chuck. ty monology jsou priserne, predehry k sexu, pokud na nej behem reseni vsech ideovych (ne)souladu vubec dojde, jsou trapne. clovek precte deset stran a nevi jestli k sexu nakonec skutecne doslo, nebo si ti dva jen povidali o svych pocitech, ktere v nich evokuje vzrusujici prace. pokud k sexu nakonec fakt doslo, je to zrejme jen z toho, ze se z ambiciozni podnikatelky (ktera ziskala doktorat z mechaniky nekdy ve 20ti) stane domaci zenuska, ktera miluje vareni a uklizeni. vsichni hrdinove stravili detstvi bud v praci nebo na univerzite, kde se ukazalo byt problem najit dostatecne mnozstvi titulu, kterymi by je bylo mozne ocenit.

konverzace mezi osobama probiha tak ze jedna postava polozi uplne kratkou a jednoduchou otazku a druha postava ji zahlti monologem na 5 stranek, nacez prvni osoba si rekne, ze nikdy s nikym v zivote nesouhlasila tolik jako prave ted. vse je absolutni, ideova totalita je vsudypritomna, vse je dotazeno do ideoveho extremu. same nikdy, vzdy, jedine apod.

Ayn zrejme vubec neznala psychologii lidi (nebo ji prisla jako zbytecnost) a proto si vymodelovala zcela nerealneho cloveka. vsichni se snazi argumentovat prisne logicky, kazdy s kazdym souhlasi, ale ve skutecnosti je to tam sama emoce. Ayn si pravdepodobne fakt myslela, ze emoce jsou jen produktem rozumu. lidi tam ve skutecnosti nemaji jine lidi radi, maji radi jen spolecne idee. pratele si tam vyuctovavaji kazdy halir a placaji se u toho po ramenou, ze jedine tak je to moralne spravne. nekdo se treba rozhodne pro nekoho usporadat slavnost a vybira vstupny, pritom mezi lidmi je mnohem obvyklejsi scenar, ze kazdy vypomuze s cim to pujde a cela akce je nakonec zadarmo, Ayn z penezni smeny udelala uplny fetis.

toho zaverecneho Galtova monologu se desim a nevim nevim jestli se na to docitani nevyprdnu :D
_BENNY --- 20:48:07 21.12.2011
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I tried to wade through Atlas Shrugged after it was recommended to me. I got to around the 500th page before not being able to continue. It presents the world into two types of people, who reminded me of flat cardboard cutouts. One group was dimwitted and lazy, and would hide behind notions of love of caring to leech off those who are better than them. The other group were intelligent, some of them geniuses, who were enslaved by the nitwits.
For some reason all the geniuses had independently come to the exact same conclusion, talked the same way, and reiterated over and over the same points and philosophy, until it became obvious they were being used as puppets to speak what Ayn Rand believed. It was full of speeches, retreading the same ground over and over again. I've heard (but I never made it that far) that it ends with a speech that goes on for 60 pages.

Conversely, the other, non-geniuses would also act the same, basically, doing and saying laughably stupid and ridiculous things. that are far beyond anything in reality. It seemed quite obvious to me that they were being set up as straw men for Ayn Rand to easily tear down with the (according to her) intelligent people. And she would, ad infinitum.
After I got deeper into the book, it became kind of a sick fascination to me. How long could she belabor her point? How many straw men could she set up and tear down, while keeping a straight face, so to speak? It was a downward spiral journey into the absurd.

By the 500th page or so, it just wasn't fun anymore. I was at the bottom of the spiral and I was tired, annoyed, and disgusted... sort of like when you have an idiot boss, and for the first few weeks, it's funny to see him flounder about. But after a month or so of dealing with the idiocy, it stops becoming funny and you can no longer appreciate the comedy of it. You reach a point where you can no longer swim above it and are just fighting to find a space to forget about it for awhile. Then you realize that an avant garde comedy is only good as long as you aren't forced to be the subject of it.
GENERALLZ --- 23:17:29 1.12.2011
GENERALLZ --- 12:06:22 15.9.2011
FRONEMA: jj, jedna z nejpůsobivějších pasáží, jedna ze tří mých nejoblíbenějších. kromě toho ještě katastrofa vlaku v tomu tunelu, kde tam Ayn Randová píše o těch jednotlivých cestujících. a pak část, Hank Rearden u večeře ke dni díkůvzdání.
FRONEMA --- 11:50:58 15.9.2011
GENERALLZ: jo to byla moc pekna cast knizky... skoro jsem si rikala ze to vypraveni by se dalo uplne vykousnout a cist zvlast